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John
10:30-33.
What made the Jews want to kill Jesus?
"I and the
Father are one." 31The
Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered
them, "I showed you many good works from the
Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The
Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for
blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"
(John
10:30-33)
What was it that Jesus
had said or done that caused the Jews to say that He was claiming to be
God? Was it "I and the Father are one"? If so, why would that
cause the Jews to want to kill Jesus? Perhaps it was something else.
Maybe it was something Jesus said elsewhere that made them so angry.
There are only two places in John where the
Jews wanted to kill
Jesus with stones. Both of these occur after Jesus spoke and made a claim
about Himself. The first was in
John 8:58-59
and the second was in
John 10:30-33.
Here is the context of both verses:
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John 8:56-59
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day,
and he saw it and was glad." 57The
Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have
You seen Abraham?" 58Jesus said to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus
hid Himself, and went out of the temple."
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John
10:27-36, "My sheep hear My voice, and I
know them, and they follow Me; 28and
I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one
shall snatch them out of My hand. 29"My
Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is
able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30"I
and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones
again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you
many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone
You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out
to be God." 34Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written
in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35"If he called them
gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into
the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of
God’?"
There is absolutely no
reference to stones or stoning between
John 8:59 and
John 10:31.
But in those two verses, the Jews responded to Jesus word's by wanting to
kill Him. What was it that Jesus said in both cases that brought such a
violent reaction? Here they are again...
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John 8:58-59,
"Jesus said to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him;
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John 10:30-31,
"I and the Father are
one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
The first time the Jews
wanted to kill Jesus was when He said, "Before Abraham was, I am."
The second time wasn't until
John 10:31 when
they again wanted to kill Him after Jesus said, "I and the
Father are one." Let's look at these statements of Jesus.
John 8:58 and John
10:30
The Jehovah's Witnesses
believe that John
8:58 should be translated as "...before Abraham was, I have been," not
"I am." But what is it about saying, "I have been" that would motivate
the Jews to want to kill Jesus? Was Jesus simply stating that He
pre-existed? If so, they would have thought Him greatly deceived, and not
worthy of being killed. Do we see any prior account of anyone in the
Bible being killed for claiming to pre-exist? No. It isn't blasphemy to
state that you have pre-existed. It is, however, blasphemy to claim to be
God;1 after all, that is what the Jews accused
Jesus of claiming for Himself in
John 10:31 when
they again picked up stones to kill Him. What was it that Jesus
said that motivated them in
John 10:31 and
in John 8:59
to want to kill Jesus?
From what I have seen, the greater number of Bibles translate
John 8:58 as,
"Before Abraham was, I am." The words "I am" are "ego eimi" in the Greek
and the construction is in the present tense. "I have been" is in the
perfect tense in English. But it is the Greek of John 8:58 that is in the
present tense, not the perfect tense (I have been). Remember, the Jews
weren't mad at Jesus for speaking English (I have been) but for speaking
Greek (I am). Therefore, what is it about the statement "Before
Abraham was, I am" that would cause such anger and warrant Him being
stoned to death?
Some say that in John 8, Jesus had said and done so many things, that
by the time Jesus said, "I am" in verse 58, the Jews simply snapped and
tried to kill Him. But, that doesn't hold with the Jews' statement in
John 10:33
where they tell Jesus the reason; it was for claiming to be God. So,
again, what is it about Jesus saying, "Before Abraham was, I am,"
(or, "I have been") that was so volatile and worthy of death according to
the Jews?
The most natural explanation I see is that Jesus was referring back
to when Moses was at the burning bush and asked God what His name was.
God said, "I am that I am. Thus you shall say to the sons of
Israel, I am has sent me to you," (Exodus
3:14). If we were to consider this as an explanation, then it makes
sense why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus since, "Before Abraham was, I am,"
would logically cause the Pharisees to think Jesus was claiming to be God
-- which is exactly what they stated later as the reason for them wanting
to kill Him.
There are, however, those who say that Jesus could not have been
referring to Exodus 3:14
or that there is no reason to refer Christ's statement to
Exodus 3:14. But,
if that is so, then what other explanation is there for the Jews' desire
to kill Jesus? What else would generate such a violate reaction Jews? Is
there any other explanation that is suitable? Remember, the Jews gave
their own reason for their anger. They said to Jesus, "...You,
being a man, make Yourself out to be God," (John
10:33).
Therefore, we need to ask the Jehovah's Witness in what verse is it
that Jesus was claiming to be God? Or, in what verse was it that could be
construed and misinterpreted by the Jews to think that Jesus was claiming
to be God?
Finally, notice that the Jews absolutely denied that Jesus was God in
flesh. Interestingly, so do the Jehovah's Witnesses. So, the Pharisees
and the Jehovah's Witnesses are in agreement about who Jesus is not.
John 10:30
John 10:30 is
an interesting statement by Jesus. He said, "I and the Father are
one." What did Jesus mean? Was He saying that the He and the Father
were one in purpose? If so, wouldn't the Jews claim the same thing as the
sought to honor and serve God? Or perhaps, Jesus was saying they were of
the same mind. If so, why didn't Jesus say so? Could it be that Jesus
was saying that He and the Father were the same person? But this wouldn't
make sense since Jesus said, "the Father and I," designating that they are
not the same person. Finally, could it be that Jesus was claiming to be
of the same essence of the Father; that is, He was claiming to be divine?
If so, then this would make sense since the Pharisees certainly claimed
that Jesus was claiming to be God.
"even because you, although being a man, make
yourself a god," (NWT)
The Jehovah's Witness Bible
called the New World Translation translates John 10:31 not as "You being a
man make yourself out to be God," but as, "even because you, although
being a man, make yourself a god." Notice the NWT says "a god", not
"God". This is typical of the Watchtower Organization which seeks to
obliterate any mention of Jesus' deity by altering the biblical text.
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1901 ASV, makest thyself God
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AMP, make Yourself [out to be] God
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CEV, claiming to be God!"
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Darby, makest thyself God
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ESV, make yourself God
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GLT, make Yourself God
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Holman Bible, make Yourself God
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KJ21, makest thyself God
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KJV, makest thyself God
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Modern KJV, make yourself God
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MSG, calling yourself God
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NAB, making yourself God
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NASB, to be God
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NIV, claim to be God
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NKJV, make Yourself God
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NLT, have made yourself God
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Phillips, making yourself out to be God
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RSV, make yourself God
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WE, you say you are God
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Webster's, makest thyself God"
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WYC, makest thyself God
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YLT, make thyself God
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As you can see, out of 22 Bible versions, not
one has "a god" translated as the Watchtower Organization does. Why?
Because the Watchtower is biased against the deity of Christ and will take
liberties to alter the English translation so as to suit its own
theological needs.
Objection: You are
deriving your theology from the Pharisees
On the contrary, I am
doing no such thing. First of all, I do not agree with the Jews that
Jesus is not God. It is the Jehovah's Witnesses who agree with the
Jews on this. Remember, the theology of the Jews is that Jesus is not
God. Since I believe Jesus is God, I am not deriving my theology
from them. Second, whether or not the Jews are correctly or
incorrectly understanding Jesus isn't the issue. The issue is what was it
that Jesus said that caused them to say He was claiming to be God that so
upset the Jews? If a Jehovah's Witness cannot answer the question, then
he doesn't understand what is going on. It is simple. If he understood,
then he could give an answer. If he can't answer, then how can he
understand the rest of the Bible since the Bible is about Jesus (John
5:39) and this issue is dealing with Jesus' teachings about Himself?
Third, the objection is a genetic fallacy; that is, it is saying that
because the Pharisees said it, it can't be true. This is like saying that
because an atheist says something about Jesus, it can't be true. Well,
yes it can be true. Even atheists can understand what Jesus says and
still not believe Him.
Questions for the JW's.
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What was it that Jesus had
said or done that caused the Pharisees to say that He was claiming to be
God in John 10:31?
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What was it about what
Jesus said in
John 8:58 that
caused the Pharisees to want to kill Him?
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From the New World
Translation perspective, what is it about saying, "I have been" (John
8:58) that
would motivate the Jews to want to kill Jesus?
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Do we see any prior
account of anyone in the Bible being killed for claiming to pre-exist if
Jesus was merely claiming pre-existence?
- Could you please
explain what it was the Pharisees misunderstood and what they were
misunderstanding to cause them to say what they did about Jesus' claim?
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If a JW cannot answer the
questions above, then
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Doesn't
that mean he doesn't understand the text since he cannot answer the
question?
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If he doesn't understand
this text about Jesus, then how can he understand the rest of the
Bible since the Bible is about Jesus (John
5:39) and
this passage is about Jesus' own teaching?
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1. With Jesus, however, it wouldn't be blasphemy because
it was true.
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